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z4j -
Dec 13, 2001 01:26 pm My wife is very clear that she is both very content and happy in life and that sex is meant to be purely an icing on the cake sort of thing and so a couple times a year is fine, more or less makes no difference, and if I am not ok with that then it is just sin and selfishness. Oldest most boring issue in our more than 10 years of marriage. Each year gets harder and harder for me. What about dietary supplements to reduce testosterone? Any MD's read this board have suggestions on that? Half of my prayer life is occupied with this subject and just trying to make it day by day. Why can't I get over it. I keep away from anything that is provocative and stimulating and when I am not around her I do fine. But being around her, and she isn't modest around me (well why would a spouse feel the need to be modest in front of the other) and it drives me nuts. Maybe I am losing my hold on reality, maybe I need therapy.... |
Good day, no you do not need to reduce testosterone and you should not have to be dealing with this issue. I walked in your footsteps for many years and it did not ever get resolved for me, but it can be fixed i you both want it to be. Something is wrong when someone will deny themselves pleasure and intimacy and then call you selfish. The selfishness is not yours. Men should be aroused by their wives (it is a built in design feature of the wiring) and if there is no overriding medical reason then there is a realisic expectation of a regular sex life.
You do need counselling, as a couple. You need to find out what it is that makes your wife dislike sex so much and if there is a way that you are failing to meet her non sexual intimate needs. If there has been an overbearing or demanding attitude on your part, or if she perceives that to be the case, then you need to deal with that. (I do not get that attitude from your post, but reality and perception are often blurred and what I read in your post may not be what your wife thinks she sees)
Once or twice a year is neither normal nor healthy. If your wife dresses and behaves immodestly while denying you the normal expectation that comes fom those behaviours then there is a very good chance that she has some anger isues with you and with the entire concept of sex as an intimate sharing. If you are not prepared to meet each other's legitimate need for sexual intimacy then you have an obligation to present yourself as modest and to not place unduetemptation in front of another. Your wife needs to see the reality of what she is doing and the damage it is causing to your marriage. Even if she won't go to counselling with you, go yourself, for yourself. They may be able to provide coping mechanisms and possibly even strategies to work through this and achieve some positive changes for you.
I will pray for you,
Lance
Our bodies are not our own when we marry. Seek counseling.
Practicing
or just have her read 1 Corinthians 7...
I don't think that it is uncommon for men to want more sex than women hoever this case sounds unusual. I don't think your wife is fulfilling her obligation to you. There should be a more reasonable middle ground. Perhaps she could masturbate you for more frequent release.
I hope this doesn't get me stoned in public but problems like this lead me to wonder about various "sexual addictions". If the wife were filling her role then would there be a problem. Of course that always leads to the very defensive retort "if the husband were doing his part to romance me, bla bla bla".
I suppose what has to happen is one party must prove themselves to be in Christ enough to go the whole way.
I must hasten to add that I do not have the solution for this at all. I just have great compassion for those caught in this web which seems to have no resolution. If I have my facts fairly close, some Pope in around the 12th century decided that sex was not for pleasure but solely for procreation. Can that be the correct answer? Goodness gracious I hope not, but ????
Practicing
For about 3 years I read every Christian marriage book I could get my hands on. Worked my tail feathers off trying to be the best Husband the world has every seen. What a flop that was. But then in a way that is how it should be. Christ doesn't want us to "work" our way to be good enough for Him to love. So for the last couple years I just pray everyday to be able to sacrifice myself fully to meet whatever She says or God brings to me as her needs. She says she finds no fault in me and is thrilled as a wife, except that I just can't seem to get over the sex thing. Besides since she doesn't need sex, I prove my selfishness to want something that she does not. To ask to be intimate at a moment when she is not in the mood is selfish.
I don't agree, but then I can't change her. SOrry for venting, I know anger and resentfulness are not from GOd either, so probably she is more right about everything than wrong...thanks for the replys
I'd go with the 1 Cor 7 Chapter. I may confront my own wife with that also. So if you see a huge ball of fire over on the Pacific coast it was me gettin roasted.
Really guys, this thing has to come to a resolution some where and I don't think it is all us guys who are the creeps.
I don't think there is a single one of the saints who will not shed some tears when Jesus returns and I think the ladies will go to the wood shed over their selfish handling of this very issue. There are lots of men who don't oggle women, are faithfull, caring and do all the "stuff". When does it pay off? Perhaps not in this life.
Practicing
One of the things that both seems wrong and yet at the same time makes me pause to examine myself, is that it is very much expected that a husband will take very seriously emotional intimacy and transperancy; take very seriously the need for good verbal communication and placing these and other of his wife's needs second only to his relationship with God. And also that this is God created, so therefore to be critical of these needs of his wife is to be critical of God. But this is not the same for men. I find that the no Christian marriage or relationship book says anything more than a brief remark about sexual fulfillment being a high priority for a man. Just offhandedly. An exception to that is Bruce Wilkensons book on Holiness. However, I have e-mailed several other "famous" marriage commentators and writers regarding his book and they have all said that while they think he is correct in describing Gods intentions from the word, that they too have found that women universally either don't agree or do agree but feel that it doesn't apply to them for various exceptions. (Wilkensons point is that one of the reasons God says that a spouses body is not their own is so that the other spouse will be completely fulfilled and not have to be under temptation, and that this is a blessing for them and also a great strength for the other since God intended them to feel safe as well.) In any event, I still have never read or heard any woman say that they believed sexual fulfillment for a man actually meant the need or desire being met, only that they would be content in whatever their wife chose to provide. Given this is so universal I am beginning to believe that perhaps the real truth is that just like God did not intentd there to be pain in childbirth, God did not create men to suffer from desire, but that instead it is part of the judgement of sin. Freedom from it is certainly high on my list of reasons why I look foward to His return!!
Hi Z4j,
I really feel sorry that your wife is not more accommodating.I don't think that you are being selfish wanting more sex. A couple of times a year is very little for a man and I can understand that you are feeling more and more frustrated. Desire for sex is a normal desire and it's a legitimate need as is our wife's need for tenderness and love.
Have you ever told your wife about your feelings and temptations? Have you ever talked about her needs? I can't imagine that she won't be able to compromise in some way.
Well. That's all what I can tell you. I know that it is a struggle for you and hope that you can get some kind of better "agreement" with your wife. But don't feel bad about your urges- it's just normal for a man !
Just ask God for help- he will intervene at his time and show you some solution.
You can contact me if you like. I'm 39 years old and have been married for 15 years. My E-mail: brad777_friend@yahoo.com
Praying for you, your brother in Christ
Oldest most boring issue in our more than 10 years of marriage
Has it been this way the whole time? Are you exaggerating the "couple times" or is this just how bad she hates intimacy.
A wife who truly loves her husband desires to please him just the same as you desire to please her. Surely she knows how this has affected you and if not, she needs to know.
So what do you do?
Two choices! Live without IT or make your thoughts known to her and then do something. Set up time with a well qualified Christian counselor for you both and find out just what is going on and how best to change it.
What if she refuses?
Then she is allowing something that God created to help keep marriages strong to die. Divorce is not an option so continue to pray and find ways to keep yourself busy. Suggest to her to see a doctor who may be able to find a medication that could help. What if she refuses this also? Slap her silly with a pillow and maybe she will wake up......I'm sorry! LOL! I could'nt help it. Personally! I would worry her to death(lovingly if possible) until she either gives in or runs away.
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