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	<title>Comments on: Why I like Keller more than Piper</title>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.djchuang.com/2006/why-i-like-keller-more-than-piper/comment-page-2/#comment-9822</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the idea that dj like keller more than piper is forgivable. but to say that the other is better than another is just ridiculous. it&#039;s very dangerous to say something like &quot;why i like piper than keller&quot; and then not explaining the whole thing &quot;why you like keller MORE than piper&quot; is very misleading than edifying, not to mention following a 14-point list, pertaining to keller, that MIGHT suggest that the piper is just the opposite of keller on every point that dj just mentioned. not helpful...

@Sam S, to say that piper has &quot;a passion for joy and the glory of God and now the Gospel&quot; while keller has a gift &quot;gift of displaying the power of the Gospel and its effects on the church&quot; doesn&#039;t make any sense.... they BOTH do that, in different ways. Try to dig deeper into their works, without bias and see for yourself.

so what&#039;s really the impulse for me in saying this? I&#039;m saying it&#039;s not helpful to say that the other is better than the other. Who might win or not? There might be some of us, specially me, to think that we are creating for them a war that doesn&#039;t really exist.

and besides celebrity deathmatch is nonsense. some might really think it&#039;s cool because of cultural influences... But would that be really edifying? what would really be edifying are thoughts to battle the real enemies of our souls, or our faith, not mainly personalities or powers, but the lies that engulfs our whole being, one of which namely, the careless words or deeds that we would soon answer for.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the idea that dj like keller more than piper is forgivable. but to say that the other is better than another is just ridiculous. it&#8217;s very dangerous to say something like &#8220;why i like piper than keller&#8221; and then not explaining the whole thing &#8220;why you like keller MORE than piper&#8221; is very misleading than edifying, not to mention following a 14-point list, pertaining to keller, that MIGHT suggest that the piper is just the opposite of keller on every point that dj just mentioned. not helpful&#8230;</p>
<p>@Sam S, to say that piper has &#8220;a passion for joy and the glory of God and now the Gospel&#8221; while keller has a gift &#8220;gift of displaying the power of the Gospel and its effects on the church&#8221; doesn&#8217;t make any sense&#8230;. they BOTH do that, in different ways. Try to dig deeper into their works, without bias and see for yourself.</p>
<p>so what&#8217;s really the impulse for me in saying this? I&#8217;m saying it&#8217;s not helpful to say that the other is better than the other. Who might win or not? There might be some of us, specially me, to think that we are creating for them a war that doesn&#8217;t really exist.</p>
<p>and besides celebrity deathmatch is nonsense. some might really think it&#8217;s cool because of cultural influences&#8230; But would that be really edifying? what would really be edifying are thoughts to battle the real enemies of our souls, or our faith, not mainly personalities or powers, but the lies that engulfs our whole being, one of which namely, the careless words or deeds that we would soon answer for.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>words of rage and of love</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond Lininger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond Lininger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a chocolate desert the other day.  Not just any ordinary chocolate desert, but the warm moist kind, where the smell reaches your nose before the plate gets to the table.  There is a firm outside that takes a bit for your spoon to get through, but closer to the center is more moist and juicy where you discover why it is served with a spoon - to allow one to scoop up the warm chocolatey goodness and feel it throughout one&#039;s mouth, then breath in through the nose to maximize the taste/smell pleasure.  But anyways, I just gave glory to that chocolate desert because it satisfied me.  This is the kind of thing that these two men do for Jesus, because he satisfies them.   Perhaps they would disapprove of a conversation that argues which one of them is the most satisfying  - since they are not satisfied by themselves or each other, but by Jesus.  I love you!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Raymond&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;p.s. thanks FC for the illustration</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a chocolate desert the other day.  Not just any ordinary chocolate desert, but the warm moist kind, where the smell reaches your nose before the plate gets to the table.  There is a firm outside that takes a bit for your spoon to get through, but closer to the center is more moist and juicy where you discover why it is served with a spoon &#8211; to allow one to scoop up the warm chocolatey goodness and feel it throughout one&#39;s mouth, then breath in through the nose to maximize the taste/smell pleasure.  But anyways, I just gave glory to that chocolate desert because it satisfied me.  This is the kind of thing that these two men do for Jesus, because he satisfies them.   Perhaps they would disapprove of a conversation that argues which one of them is the most satisfying  &#8211; since they are not satisfied by themselves or each other, but by Jesus.  I love you!!</p>
<p>Raymond</p>
<p>p.s. thanks FC for the illustration</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Chuang</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Chuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;DJ Chuang&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;@jeffreyprice yes, I disagree. I like Keller more than Piper anyways :) http://url.djchuang.com/gbuc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment">On Twitter, <span class="topsy_twitter_username">DJ Chuang</span> said: <span class="topsy_trackback_content">@jeffreyprice yes, I disagree. I like Keller more than Piper anyways <img src='http://www.djchuang.com/c/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  <a href="http://url.djchuang.com/gbuc" rel="nofollow">http://url.djchuang.com/gbuc</a></span><br />
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		<title>By: Heather Wax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Wax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you could have commented on the things you really appreciate about Keller without setting it up as &quot;how he trumps Piper.&quot;  I&#039;m not saying this because I&#039;m some rabid fan of Piper&#039;s but just that it doesn&#039;t seem like an honoring way to speak of any respected brothers in Christ, to compare them to one another.  I do however appreciate how you analyzed the characteristics of Keller&#039;s demeanor that are worthy of note and exemplifying, that others can learn from that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you could have commented on the things you really appreciate about Keller without setting it up as &#8220;how he trumps Piper.&#8221;  I&#39;m not saying this because I&#39;m some rabid fan of Piper&#39;s but just that it doesn&#39;t seem like an honoring way to speak of any respected brothers in Christ, to compare them to one another.  I do however appreciate how you analyzed the characteristics of Keller&#39;s demeanor that are worthy of note and exemplifying, that others can learn from that.</p>
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		<title>By: wong Fong Yang</title>
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		<dc:creator>wong Fong Yang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what you wrote about Tim Keller. I am spending 6 weeks in Redeemer Church Planting Center and I enjoy my time listening and learning from Tim Keller. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I realised that most preaching are not gospel-centered and Christ-centered. Tim Keller certainly models what gospel and Christ centered preaching is all about. I could see that so many Manhattan secular people who come to Redeemer have been transformed by the gospel not just for justification but also sanctification. His preaching of the gospel certainly changing culture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what you wrote about Tim Keller. I am spending 6 weeks in Redeemer Church Planting Center and I enjoy my time listening and learning from Tim Keller. </p>
<p>I realised that most preaching are not gospel-centered and Christ-centered. Tim Keller certainly models what gospel and Christ centered preaching is all about. I could see that so many Manhattan secular people who come to Redeemer have been transformed by the gospel not just for justification but also sanctification. His preaching of the gospel certainly changing culture</p>
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		<title>By: Kaleigh</title>
		<link>http://www.djchuang.com/2006/why-i-like-keller-more-than-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-4065</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a jewish Christian most of my life and no longer go to Redemer church at Hunter college because
1) Pastor Keller is an egostical elitist who rarely responds to Christians because I wrote him several times and never got any common courtesy of reply
2) Pastor Keller didn&#039;t have the courage to admit he made a historical major mistake in a sermon about how Pontius Pilate got his job, it was thru his friend Sejanus NOT his wife as Keller said then had his asistant e-mail me a thank you.
           No courtesy from him I was right.
   Sincerely
 eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a jewish Christian most of my life and no longer go to Redemer church at Hunter college because<br />
1) Pastor Keller is an egostical elitist who rarely responds to Christians because I wrote him several times and never got any common courtesy of reply<br />
2) Pastor Keller didn&#8217;t have the courage to admit he made a historical major mistake in a sermon about how Pontius Pilate got his job, it was thru his friend Sejanus NOT his wife as Keller said then had his asistant e-mail me a thank you.<br />
           No courtesy from him I was right.<br />
   Sincerely<br />
 eric</p>
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		<title>By: Gründen und Kommunizieren mit Respekt und Verständnis - Lektionen von Tim Keller &#171; siyach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gründen und Kommunizieren mit Respekt und Verständnis - Lektionen von Tim Keller &#171; siyach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weiter Anmerkungen zu Tims Stil: Preaching the Gospel to yourself Why I like Keller better than Piper [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Big John Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big John Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So no doubt you loved his word in NyC two weeks back huh?  man I&#039;m lovin having your Dave Gibbons twitter bookmarked!  Keep it up.  -Big John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So no doubt you loved his word in NyC two weeks back huh?  man I&#8217;m lovin having your Dave Gibbons twitter bookmarked!  Keep it up.  -Big John</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Keller Podcasts &#124; Manawatu Christian Apologetics Society</title>
		<link>http://www.djchuang.com/2006/why-i-like-keller-more-than-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Keller Podcasts &#124; Manawatu Christian Apologetics Society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dr. Tim Keller (Redeemer Presbyterian Church, New York City) The most insightful and intellectually honest Bible teachers I&#8217;ve heard, deeply theological without a belittling tone to those with differing convictions. Gifted to speak in a winsome Gospel-centered way to Christians and non-Christians alike. Not afraid to read and use pop culture references. Read 14 reasons why I like Keller. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dr. Tim Keller (Redeemer Presbyterian Church, New York City) The most insightful and intellectually honest Bible teachers I&#8217;ve heard, deeply theological without a belittling tone to those with differing convictions. Gifted to speak in a winsome Gospel-centered way to Christians and non-Christians alike. Not afraid to read and use pop culture references. Read 14 reasons why I like Keller. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Spadino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Spadino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually like Tim Keller a lot more than Piper. Keller speaks to both my heart and my head; whereas Piper speaks to only my head only.  I have listened to numerous sermons of Pipers and gave him 250 of 350 pages but he just could not keep my attention. I kept thinking he could say the same exact things he was saying in a better way.  I could be attending Pipers Church in town but I dont. Mostly because I really believe Piper leads with a desire to share his theology with others. Keller leads with a desire to share the Gospel and I think thats why I just have some very minor issues with Piper.  Other than that I really like the impact he has had with others in the community in the twin cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually like Tim Keller a lot more than Piper. Keller speaks to both my heart and my head; whereas Piper speaks to only my head only.  I have listened to numerous sermons of Pipers and gave him 250 of 350 pages but he just could not keep my attention. I kept thinking he could say the same exact things he was saying in a better way.  I could be attending Pipers Church in town but I dont. Mostly because I really believe Piper leads with a desire to share his theology with others. Keller leads with a desire to share the Gospel and I think thats why I just have some very minor issues with Piper.  Other than that I really like the impact he has had with others in the community in the twin cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest Prabhakar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ernest Prabhakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;On Twitter, &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;Ernest Prabhakar&lt;/span&gt; said: &lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Why I like Keller: http://tinyurl.com/2t2c8z&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment">On Twitter, <span class="topsy_twitter_username">Ernest Prabhakar</span> said: <span class="topsy_trackback_content">Why I like Keller: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2t2c8z" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/2t2c8z</a></span><br />
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attend Redeemer and I love Tim. Redeemer is one of a few churches I have been to where I do not see authoritarinism or church abuse.</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.djchuang.com/2006/why-i-like-keller-more-than-piper/comment-page-1/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, well said brother.  Kyle, one used to have to earn an audience to be heard, then the internet came into being and every mouse  began to roar like a lion overnight.  Remain the mouse till more gospel sun ripens your soul my brother.  I pray that God would give you the grace to weep over the words that you&#039;ve written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, well said brother.  Kyle, one used to have to earn an audience to be heard, then the internet came into being and every mouse  began to roar like a lion overnight.  Remain the mouse till more gospel sun ripens your soul my brother.  I pray that God would give you the grace to weep over the words that you&#8217;ve written.</p>
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